19/03/2008

Jouer en equipe au poker online..

Lorsqu'on joue au poker en réel, les tricheurs opèrent en général par manipulation de cartes lors de la distribution, comme on le voyait sur cette vidéo, d'où le conseil de toujours garder un œil sur les mains du donneur..

En ligne, il arrive que certains joueurs, doués en informatiques ou bossant pour les sites de jeu, arrivent à connaitre vos mains, mais aussi, plus couramment, qu'on ait affaire à des joueurs qui se connaissent et se retrouvent autour d'une même table pour dépouiller un pauvre innocent qui ne se doute pas de là où il est tombé..

Connectés par Skype ou par MSN, ceux-ci se communiquent leurs mains respectives et augmentent ainsi leurs chances d'avoir un flop favorable.

Sans tomber dans la paranoïa, il faut être vigilant pour ne pas être le fish qui se fait plumer. Cette mésaventure m'est arrivé récemment et j'ai commencé à me poser la question sur cette main :

* main 1 :
Seat 5: majorj3 ($7.23 in chips)
Seat 6: whowantsum ($8.26 in chips)
Seat 7: aldanjah ($4.30 in chips)
aldanjah: posts small blind $0.02
frizzly fry: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aldanjah [Kd Ks]
majorj3: calls $0.05
whowantsum: calls $0.05
aldanjah: raises $0.15 to $0.20
majorj3: calls $0.15
whowantsum: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [Tc 2s Ah]
aldanjah: checks
majorj3: bets $0.15
whowantsum: calls $0.15
aldanjah: calls $0.15
*** TURN *** [Tc 2s Ah] [3d]
aldanjah: checks
majorj3: bets $0.25
whowantsum: calls $0.25
aldanjah: folds
*** RIVER *** [Tc 2s Ah 3d] [Qc]
majorj3: checks
whowantsum: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
majorj3: shows [5h 2h] (a pair of Deuces)
whowantsum: mucks hand
majorj3 collected $1.55 from pot

Outre le fait d'avoir supposé -avec erreur- que l'un des 2 avait un As et que j'étais un peu dégouté de ne pas avoir attaqué cette paire de rois, il m'a semblé étrange de voir le pot relancé avec une simple paire de 2, et suivit par l'autre qui n'avait rien..

Indice 1 : Ils rentrent donc souvent dans les pots ensemble, dans l'espoir que le flop sera favorable à l'un d'entre eux.

*main 2
Seat 3: docrock2000 (3.42 in chips)
Seat 5: majorj3 ($8.53 in chips)
Seat 6: whowantsum ($8.91 in chips)
Seat 7: aldanjah ($4.35 in chips)
Seat 8: frizzly fry ($9.88 in chips)
Seat 9: fishwork ($2.95 in chips)
majorj3: posts small blind $0.02
whowantsum: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aldanjah [Qd 5c]
aldanjah: folds
docrock2000: calls $0.05
majorj3: raises $0.13 to $0.15
whowantsum: raises $0.25 to $0.30
docrock2000: folds
majorj3: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [Td 8h 6h]
majorj3: checks
whowantsum: bets $0.25
majorj3: folds
whowantsum collected $0.65 from pot
whowantsum: doesn't show hand

Indice 2 : Ils se relancent et se surrelancent : leur objectif est de coucher les suiveurs ou faire grimper le pot pré-flop.

* main 3 :
Seat 4: skip821 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 5: majorj3 ($6.91 in chips)
Seat 6: whowantsum ($10.39 in chips)
Seat 7: aldanjah ($4.65 in chips)
docrock2000: posts small blind $0.02
skip821: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aldanjah [As Jc]
majorj3: calls $0.05
whowantsum: raises $0.25 to $0.30
aldanjah: calls $0.30
docrock2000: folds
skip821: folds
majorj3: raises $0.45 to $0.75
whowantsum: calls $0.45
aldanjah: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad 4s 9s]
majorj3: bets $0.50
whowantsum: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Ad 4s 9s] [7s]
majorj3: bets $0.50
whowantsum: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Ad 4s 9s 7s] [5d]
majorj3: bets $0.50
whowantsum: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
majorj3: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
whowantsum: mucks hand
majorj3 collected $4.67 from pot

Indice 3 : Lorsque l'un a une grosse main, l'autre relance à sa place, pour ne pas semer des fausses pistes.

* main 4 :
Seat 5: majorj3 ($8.18 in chips)
Seat 6: whowantsum ($7.66 in chips)
Seat 7: aldanjah ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 8: frizzly fry ($9.83 in chips)
Seat 9: fishwork ($2.90 in chips)
frizzly fry: posts small blind $0.02
fishwork: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aldanjah [Qc 9c]
randomdoodxy: folds
majorj3: raises $0.05 to $0.10
whowantsum: calls $0.10
aldanjah: calls $0.10
frizzly fry: folds
fishwork: calls $0.05
*** FLOP *** [7s Kh 6c]
fishwork: checks
majorj3: bets $0.05
whowantsum: raises $0.25 to $0.30
aldanjah: folds
fishwork: folds
majorj3: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7s Kh 6c] [8c]
majorj3: bets $0.20
whowantsum: raises $0.40 to $0.60
majorj3: folds
whowantsum collected $1.37 from pot
whowantsum: doesn't show hand

Indice 4 : Lorsqu'ils arrachent le pot, ils s'arrangent pour rééquilibrer leurs tapis entre eux sans montrer leurs mains à la table.

*main 5 :
Seat 1: randomdoodxy ($5.11 in chips)
Seat 2: RandomTrial ($7.65 in chips)
Seat 5: majorj3 ($7.41 in chips)
Seat 6: whowantsum ($10.47 in chips)
Seat 7: aldanjah ($3.88 in chips)
randomdoodxy: posts small blind $0.02
RandomTrial: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aldanjah [Th Kh]
majorj3: calls $0.05
whowantsum: raises $0.15 to $0.20
aldanjah: calls $0.20
randomdoodxy: folds
RandomTrial: folds
skip821: folds
majorj3: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [Ts Kd Ks]
majorj3: checks
whowantsum: bets $0.30
aldanjah: calls $0.30
majorj3: folds
*** TURN *** [Ts Kd Ks] [4d]
whowantsum: checks
aldanjah: bets $0.50
whowantsum: folds
aldanjah collected $1.27 from pot

Indice 5 :
Lorsqu'ils voient une relance "sérieuse" suivie, ils sortent du pot rapidement à 2.

Bien sur je peux me tromper (il peut aussi s'agir de 2 joueurs loose-agressifs en rivalité) mais lorsque je les ai accusé de tricher, ils ont tout deux quitté la table dans le tour qui a suivit ... étrange non ?
Le seul moyen d'être sur est de demander au site de jeu de surveiller leurs adresses IP, pour voir s'ils se retrouvent fréquemment aux mêmes tables, ce que j'ai fait.

Je vous donnerai le verdict lorsqu'ils me l'auront communiqué..

En attendant, soyez vigilant :)

9 commentaires:

aldanjah a dit…

La réponse du site :

Hello Aldanjah,

Thank you for your report. The integrity of our games is of utmost
importance to us, and when confronted with such suspicions, we have one of our poker specialists undertake extensive research into the players'relationships and past play.

We have forwarded your message to a poker specialist for review. Please
allow us some time to research this matter. It may take several days
if the matter is particularly complex. We will be back to you as soon as possible with the results of our examination.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Regards,

Paulo
XX Support Team

En cours d'analyse donc..

aldanjah a dit…

Verdict : j'ai tilté

Hello Aldanjah,

Thank you for bringing your concerns to us regarding the play of 'majorj3' and 'whowantsum' you recently faced in a hand. The integrity of our site is of utmost importance to us, and we have many tools at our disposal to thoroughly investigate all suspected collusion.

The first thing we consider when determining whether or not collusion has occurred is if there is an existing relationship between the suspected players. In this case, these players live in completely different States have never shared a computer, have never played in a tournament together and have only ever played on one table together. These facts, plus other information available to us from their accounts, tells us that these players may not know each other. While not sufficient for exoneration, this is a good place to start.

Next, we look at the play of the hands themselves. In a cash game we tend to look for Best Hand Play; where only the better of the two hands are played; Pot Building, where a player holding weak cards continually raises in an effort to inflate the pot for their partner, who has strong cards; and, Squeeze-Playing (aka Whipsawing), where both players continually raise with weak hands, in an effort to force another player to fold (this becomes Whipsawing when this tactic is used in conjunction with Pot
Building).

In this case there was no suspicious play at all. Both players seemed to adopt an loose aggresive approach to the game. I have looked at all their hands together on the table and have not found any suspicious hands given their style of play. I am unable to show you any specific exonerating
hands, since they weren't shown at the table. In all cases, however, their actions were justifiable by their cards, position, or strategy.

Overall, given the lack of any previous play together, the lack of any relationship between their two accounts, and the lack of any suspicious play during this event, there is nothing to indicate that these two players are colluding in any way. I will however place notes in both player's accounts indicating this review and your concerns, and if any future suspicious play is noted between them, there will be a record of your email for reference.

Thanks again for your report and rest assured that we will thoroughly research all claims.

Thank you for choosing PokerStars.


Regards,

Howard
XX Support Team

Anonyme a dit…

Ouais bah de toute façon moi même quand je trichais je gagnais jamais contre toi :)

clémence a dit…

anonyme = ta soeur la looseuse !

aldanjah a dit…

pov' tite soeur "looseuse" va ! :p

Anonyme a dit…

Avec tes conneries on va se faire rodave !

Anonyme a dit…

anonyme = Pas ta soeur la looseuse !

Shaun Marsh a dit…

Great post !

Gclub a dit…

keep it up!